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Posts: 65 (11/05/2008 11:00 AM) I'm never speaking up again... |
That was one of the best speeches I have ever heard in my entire life. Seriously. It's one for the history books!
Saw a woman at the Alanta show wearing a t-shirt that said "Barack My World!" Oh yeah. Let's rock! |
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Posts: 908 (11/05/2008 11:36 AM) Always buzzin' just like neon... |
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Posts: 578 (11/05/2008 4:37 PM) Neon 12:47 AM |
finally America came to its senses
F**k yeah!! |
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Posts: 514 (11/05/2008 5:26 PM) |
Posted this to say "wooooooohoooooo" and keep it Mayer at the same time. -drew.
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Posts: 12216 (11/05/2008 6:37 PM) Everybody's mama |
Sorry, drew. I have always disliked the lyrics to WOTWTC. Great melody but sucky, victim lyrics. The fact the JM waited so long to endorse Obama, coupled
with the wishy-washy victim lyrics of WOTWTC has made me want to wack him up the side of the head and say, grow a pair.
Sorry to be a buzzkill, but that video is a buzzkill for anyone over the age of 50.
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Posts: 10 (11/05/2008 8:00 PM) I'm never speaking up again... |
 I'm just happy for Mr. Obama...well... President Obama ....that's so great to say...lol. I really never thought in I would see it
but it happen. and it's still like WOW to me. I've lived and seen a couple of things and no I'm not that old...lol, but I just didn't think the
worold was ready for change but I was praying that it was.
I know that a lot of people still aren't on his band wagon but they will learn to maybe not love him but at least I hope respect him for the strong leader I know he will be. I didn't vote for him because we happen to share the same color of skin or a couple of famous people Happen to say he was cool and I should....I'm not that stupid...lol. I voted for the man be cause I think...no...I know he's here to bring about change. He's here to give us light when all we see is darkness. He's here to just offer us a better sense of ourselves which I think we need right about now. I know he's only a man....but he's the right man for the job! |
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Posts: 908 (11/05/2008 10:02 PM) Always buzzin' just like neon... |
yermama wrote:Holly, I get it, believe me. You may recall, I, along with some other oldsters (perhaps you included, I don't recall) debated this when the song was first released. It was a definite wtf is this 'waiting" shit about? As time passed and I read various things he said, I was more inclined to forgive him via that ever useful artistic license pass. Once Obama used it the first time, I just said to myself, yeah, this is a generational thing and a way of speaking, regardless of whether I can wrap my head around it or not. As an aside, a cute, funny thing about that song happened just yesterday afternoon. My daughter told me that she was playing Yes We Can: Voices Of A Grassroots Movement CD in the car and during WOTWTC when Obama's voice came on, the male half of her 5 year old twins, Michael, asked if that was Obama talking. She said yes. He then said, "but isn't that John Mayer (afterall, he is my grandson)?" A yes answered followed, to which he replied, "Oh no, he 'stoled' John Mayer's song. Mimi's gonna be mad." And I am reminded of one more earlier John Mayer "soft" protest moment. Does anyone remember during the '04 summer tour when he covered Marvin Gaye's Inner City Blues? What I remember most is him saying in some interview or a typical blurt-out moment about how Republicans were shaking their asses in the aisles to that song and had no idea what it was about. Wish I could remember the exact words. In my mind it was the first time he "came out" with his affiliation. Edited to add: While I understand Holly, I like the video, Drew. Thanks for posting it. Edited a second time to say that I just noticed The Boss and Boss first lady in that first clip. Woohoo--that was from Cleveland I assume?
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Posts: 567 (11/05/2008 11:07 PM) |
Key lyric for me in that song would be "We just feel like we don't have the means to rise above and beat it..." and also "If we
had the power..."
Remembering that was written after Bush got in for a second time, I can understand the deflation in that statement. It always struck me as more deflated and frustrated than apathetic, which given the song's timing, made sense to me. What the Obama CAMPAIGN did was to reinvigorate that feeling of "Yes We Can" make a difference. We Can rise above and beat it. If I vote NOW someone will listen, something will change. I GOT THE POWER! I'm sure if you could talk to John about this today, he'd concur that the wait (to a degree) is over, and that the change has come. It will be interesting to see if we hear intro's relating to it being about a different time... We're not waiting anymore! You can take all the tricks up my sleeve.... |
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Posts: 65 (11/05/2008 11:37 PM) I'm never speaking up again... |
Yermama and MissT, I believe we are all of the same generation, so I think we all had the same, "WTF are you waiting for?" reaction to that song.
But, after I listened to him explain it and talk about Bush's abuse of power to keep them from changing things, I think I became more tolerant of it. It
does just kind of go againsst the grain of our way of thinking though, doesn't it? But, like I said yesterday, the time has finally come to quit waiting
and get out there and change things, and sure enough! It's happened! Hooray!
I also remember the Marvin Gaye song, "Inner City Blues". I don't remember the exact quote either, but it was after a southern show, Atlanta perhaps? I think you got the quote pretty close, MissT, JM was laughing that he had all these Republicans dancing in the aisles, and they totally didn't get what they were even dancing to. At the time I was thrilled to be proven correct in my assumption that he was a Democrat. It was during the time he was filming for "John Mayer Has A TV Show" as I recall. |
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Posts: 5598 (11/06/2008 12:38 AM) We sleep walk in Hollywood |
yermama wrote: This clicks with me. That song was a turning point in my MayerLoveFest activities. Hard to be a child of the '60s and swallow the notion of waiting on the world to change. To be fair, it sounds like his subsequent spin on the topic was buyable, but alas, I didn't stick around to listen. I decided early on to get on the "Yes We Can" bus. |
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Posts: 12216 (11/06/2008 11:46 AM) Everybody's mama |
Yeah. Trudy, I think you and I discussed this a while ago. I attribute to John a lot of integrity and have cut him a wide berth on his apparent hesitation to
make any political endorsements because of his careful stewardship of his career. His musical talent is so phenomenal and his career certainly deserving of
careful cultivation that I can forgive him keeping his muse and politics separate. But with his Johnny-come-lately endorsement of Obama, my opinion of him has slipped a few surprising
notches. It validated my initial interpretation of WOTWTC lyrics.
I deeply admire his philanthropy and support of several global causes, but I've been sad he had not endorsed Obama earlier. He's still young. He's very wise. I leave room for other valid factors as to why he came out so late. But speaking from a generation that never hesitated to take to the streets or risk our lives to stand up for what we believed in, I'm still disappointed he didn't step up to the plate earlier. I find the video slightly disrespectful of the integrity of Obama's campaign and platform. Just my opinion. No biggie.
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Posts: 2804 (11/06/2008 7:19 PM) Your mouth was, so dirty... |
Upon being invited to several "Obama is not my president!" groups on Facebook yesterday morning, I think many of you will appreciate the group I
created to counter it.
http://www.facebook.com/g...hp?gid=34310632945&ref=mf For non-Facebookers: Americans United and Supporting Our President Barack Obama Global Basic Info Type: Common Interest - Politics Description: People, out of respect for this great country of ours, whether we voted for him or not, we must respect and uphold Barack Obama as President. Now is not the time to be divided by petty differences and political affiliations. We are facing a long, hard road ahead of us as a country and that would be true no matter who was elected, so realistically, we are infinitely better off working and living together rather than letting bitterness and arrogance divide us all the more. And if it adds any weight to the statement, I did not vote for Barack Obama. But I assure you, I have never been more convicted of the fact that we must hold him up and make the best of it and become more united than we have ever been. In 2012 we will vote again, but for now, it's time to dig in and get to work. It is this willingness to be united in all circumstances that should still make us all proud to be Americans. I know I still am, and today, I congratulate and support Barack Obama as my President. Recent News November 5: As this day has gone on, it's obvious that there are many people excited, many people disappointed, many people scared and many people apathetic about the results of last nights election. While I don't want to suggest that it's wrong to feel any of those emotions, I do believe that we still must not allow those emotions to shape our behavior. We must be gracious and humble winners just as we must be gracious and humble losers. This is absolutely essential to the well-being of our country as both major candidates suggested last night in their speeches. Harboring bitterness will get us nowhere. Arrogance will get us nowhere. Both sides must adopt a spirit of grace and acceptance and humbly extend a hand to the other and stay focused on the fact that no matter who is in office, we are all still Americans. Together we stand. Divided we fall. Let us also show proper respect for departing President George Bush no matter how we feel about his Presidency and just let him go. While it's probably fair to say that most people from both major parties are ready for a change, it still won't help matters to continue to dwell on these last 8 years. George Bush will be out of office in a little more than two months and we can turn a page and leave his legacy for the historians to sort out as time goes on. I'm not trying to pass judgement either way on the man so much as suggest that more than ever, it's time to focus our eyes on the road ahead. I'm sick of talking and hearing about what went wrong. Let's just get busy with setting it right. I encourage you all to not let this historic election be limited to what happened at the polls. Let this election mark the moment in which we as a nation refused to succumb to the division, the anger and the complacency that has plagued us for far too long. We will always have our varying opinions and philosophies and that too makes our country great, but once the votes are tallied and a winner chosen, it's time to get behind the winner and move forward not as Republicans, Democrats or Independents but as Americans. There has never been a more pressing need for us to be united as there is now. Friends and fellow Americans, let's make history.
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Posts: 2804 (11/06/2008 7:26 PM) Your mouth was, so dirty... |
And again, to all of you who supported Obama, congratulations on the victory. I am truly excited that there indeed seem to be so many people excited about this
and ready not only for change but to very much BE that change. I absolutely will do all I can to be on board at this point and more than anything right now,
keep trying to encourage people like myself who didn't vote for Obama that it is still in the best interest of this country and very much our civic duty to
support and uphold him as President. As pissed as you see me get about Obama's campaign before the 4th, believe me when I say that I will speak as
vehemently (though I am going to work on my "diplomacy" tactics per se...I get it...) against any "Nobama" and "Obama is not my
president!" crap I see from this point forward. I'm not bitter and I'm not looking back. It's time to look ahead, reconcile our differences
and unite to make the best of the situation. I wish Obama the best of luck in his term and truly do hope that he will be a successful president.
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Posts: 908 (11/06/2008 8:35 PM) Always buzzin' just like neon... |
Elliot, Your wisdom exceeds your years. That was so very mature and wise. I am touched and impressed, and I'm sure others are. Thanks for stepping up to the line.
siggy designed by halogirl as a gift of friendship "The presence of yahoos in daily life is not a new torment. They have always been among us. The simplemindedness of their thinking is exceeded only by the volume at which they express it." ~Leonard Pitts, Jr. click daily to fund free mammograms for needy, help homeless animals, world hunger, children, rainforest preservation and literacy. . .like,be part of the solution, you know? |
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Posts: 2804 (11/06/2008 9:59 PM) Your mouth was, so dirty... |
yermama wrote: I'm reminded of John's spiel in "Where The Light Is" about paparazzi and how he's not bothered so much that they're there so much as that it messes with his message. I can imagine him having similar sentiments about the political issues as politics can so easily mess with one's message. I think it's relevant to recognize that unfortunately, due to the divisive nature of politics, many important issues get ignored because they've become politicized and suddenly doing the right thing disagrees with your party lines, so it then becomes a "bad thing." I think John addresses this idea very well in "Belief." (Aside: It's not hard to see that I don't get it yet when considering my posts in this thread, but believe me, I'm aware of it and working on it.) What's beautiful to me about music is that it isn't as inherently divisive as politics can be. I think there's something to the suggestion that change and social movement can be more effective when it's rooted and left in the hands of the people. Personally, I'd prefer to inspire "human beings" to live out their lives with integrity, love, humility and a committment to taking personal responsibility for bringing about the greater good. I'd then trust them to vote accordingly with such characteristics in mind. But more than voting, I'd much prefer people let their beliefs and convictions hang out by living them out everyday and thus being and inspiring the change and result they long for. So, long story short (sorry for going long again...) I can see a benefit and wisdom in not wanting politics to mess with your message. |
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Posts: 65 (11/06/2008 10:47 PM) I'm never speaking up again... |
Thank you, Elliott. That was really lovely. It was well thought out, well written, and mature. I'm not sure how Facebook works as I'm not a member, but
did you get many responses to your entry?
I'm curious what you thought of Obama's speech the other night? A friend of mine who is a staunch Republican, while congratulating the Democrats for the victory, commented on what a great orator Obama is. I just wonder if he inspired the same sense of hopefulness in you as he did in me? |
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Posts: 3309 (11/06/2008 11:11 PM) Your mouth was, so dirty... |
Agent Elliot 007 wrote:Elliot, I'm impressed that you're taking an effort to move forward. And the line I quoted above is something I think everyone dreams about. It is a shame to me that our nation isn't known for people living out the change they want to see. I voted for Obama (and supported him for the last two years) because he ignited hope in me that maybe one day we could be that kind of nation. Pipe dreams, maybe. But I really believe he wants to keep moving forward and I'm excited that you have decided to do so as well.
-Heather
Deal with it. It's rock'n'roll. |
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Posts: 2804 (11/07/2008 12:52 AM) Your mouth was, so dirty... |
oneoldrckr wrote: I thought both Obama and McCain made great, inspiring speeches Tuesday night. While I'm of the mind that you've got to respect what happens and move forward no matter what, it certainly helps to see such graciousness, humility and enthusiasm for the future in McCain's concession speech followed by mirrored graciousness, humility and enthusiasm in Obama's acceptance speech. What was truly inspiring to me was this general acknowledgement from both candidates that there is a much greater good at stake here that no politician or party line is worth being divided over. At this point I have no other choice but to take Obama at his word and step up and do my part. And understand, I don't do so begrudgingly. I truly am excited about the possibilities ahead of us as a nation. While I absolutely believe that we have rough times ahead of us with the economy only bound to get worse, I also have always believed that adversity can serve to make us stronger if we refuse to let it stifle or destroy us. If we remain divided though, the schism will only grow larger as we experience adversity and we will certainly not get through it stronger if we get through it at all. But if we are united, our most trying moments may very well lead to our finest hour. I hope we can do it. I hope Obama succeeds at leading us through it. And I really, really hope that the people of this country also send a clear message to the media and stop accepting all of the negativity. I see so many cool things happening among people interpersonally these last couple days. People from both sides are buying in and putting their differences along with the ridiculous antics that ensue out of those differences aside. But I saw just a bit of news today here and there and I've glanced through articles here and there, and it seems apparent to me that among the media, neither side is getting it. They're still just bashing each other and thus encouraging division. I hope to the heavens that sensible voices arise to remind the people that we can have philosophical differences and still work together effectively, respectfully and humbly. And we certainly can do without the same senseless negativity that's driven us apart. The media only stands to poison this potentially amazing time ahead if all parties involved don't drop the name-calling and finger-pointing. It's time to move on and focus on setting things right. Humility. Integrity. And of course, a little hope. Together we stand. Divided we fall. And for all your LOST nuts...live together, die alone. BOOM! Let's go people! |
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Posts: 2804 (11/07/2008 1:04 AM) Your mouth was, so dirty... |
HBeeClarity wrote: It will be a pipe dream if we let it. But if we wake up everyday and take action to make it a reality in our individual lives, it'll spread and believe me, it will be a pipe dream no more. It'll never be perfect, but we can still do our best to still do what's right. Just remember what Obama has also harped on for a long while, he can't do anything alone. We've got to get up, get united and get to work. Again, the only thing that keeps these ideas pipe dreams or feel-good campaign slogans is our own lack of faith and action. Enthusiasm is contagious. Humbly, graciously and lovingly spread some around. The first step right now is just stepping out and lending a hand to come along. We'll figure out the details in due time if we just keep moving and stay positive. |
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Posts: 2257 (11/07/2008 7:52 AM) I'm never speaking up again... |
Agent Elliot 007 wrote:Based on upon some of your comments made a few days ago in this thread, I have no idea how you got here, but I'm glad you are here. Obama said in his speech Tuesday night that he wants to be your president too and I'm glad you're allowing him the opportunity to prove himself. I think he understands that he cannot succeed without the full cooperation of the American public and when you actively include voters in this process it places the burden on all of us which mirrors how I believe politics should work. |
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