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10/29/2010 5:56 AM
Marcia wrote: CremalleroI feel many of your points are well taken. You present"The Hurt" as coming from a guy who has a generous heart and has been basically trampled on. I get that "The Hurt" could just be a fantasy about what COULD occur as opposed to an actual occurence (sp?) . It is interesting to how we have more understanding or empathy for why people behave certain ways when we fully appreciate the circumstances they may be in, at the time.so,thank you for your explanation....and I still have couple of concerns RE this song. One I have already mentioned and the other is the verse "I want to fall, fall asleep in the arms of a woman; a woman who does not deserve my love." For me, it means a woman who is not up to his standards of what he is looking for in a partner, or something like that. Does anyone else have a different take on this line? For me, this is an arrogant comment. Everyone, deserves our love, though maybe not in the way he is referring to in the song. It's the same sort of problem I have with the verse, "I don't remember you looking any better, but, then again, I don't remember you. " Isn't that like BSing someone in the first part of the verse and then slapping them in the face in the second? Ah, but, this is but one song and one verse. JM has written so many touching, beautiful songs which have given me hours of enjoyment and I am most grateful to him for it. Just like the rest of us, I believe JM is a mixed bag. Many of his songs speak of his sweet caring heart and his sensitivity <----which can be a double edged sword, AND according to you Cremallero, might be the motivations BEHIND "The Hurt".
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10/29/2010 7:45 PM
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Does anyone know what is meant by the line, "Power is made by power being taken."?
10/31/2010 9:37 PM
all we need is love is a lie wrote: Does anyone know what is meant by the line, "Power is made by power being taken."? In general, For One to have the Upper Hand. In youth, one is taught all things are fair or will be in time. As an adult, one finds it is rather the contrary. So, you take another's power there by increasing your own. One problem with this scenario, however: Kharma is a bio tch. There's always a bigger fish into any tributary. As the song goes...keep running to protect your situation. Right?Ice is Just As Nice-AThanks for your response, I do like "Vultures", but I certainly take issue with that notion. To me, power is an inside job. Gary Zukav speaks of "authentic" verses "external" power. Authentic Power requires no protection and is not based on fear. ...and, oh yeah, that Karma thing-ma-jiggy really sucks. Thanks again.
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Carolina wrote:You sound like a nice guy but I can't believe this thread. He said:"just to feel something, something that hurts me the hurt makes me feel alive"He should just be cutting himself. Same difference but not fucking over women in the process.
02/22/2011 10:45 PM
Cremallero wrote:Carolina wrote:You sound like a nice guy but I can't believe this thread. He said:"just to feel something, something that hurts me the hurt makes me feel alive"He should just be cutting himself. Same difference but not fucking over women in the process. You see though, he is already dead, at least he feels that way. He has exhausted himself and been wrung out so dry he is nothing, "dead".The process of fucking over the woman both figuratively and literally, is the last thing he would ever want to do, however since everything else has failed, every option of chivalry, compromise and/or composure, has only left him feeling this way. It is this forbidden action that has never before been acted upon that may in fact provide him with some sort of sensation, even if it is shameful or gluttonous. It really is a terrible resolution, pitiful closure, but a form of resolution and form of closure nonetheless, which sometimes may be thought to require a physical action to attain it. It is unfortunate but the truth, although John very well could have never made the phone call to have her, "Here by the end of the hour..." but what may have simply felt what is there to lose when you have already lost it all.Lol this song is so real and raw, will always remain a painful favorite.
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02/23/2011 12:48 AM
Marcia wrote:Cremallero wrote:Carolina wrote:You sound like a nice guy but I can't believe this thread. He said:"just to feel something, something that hurts me the hurt makes me feel alive"He should just be cutting himself. Same difference but not fucking over women in the process. You see though, he is already dead, at least he feels that way. He has exhausted himself and been wrung out so dry he is nothing, "dead".The process of fucking over the woman both figuratively and literally, is the last thing he would ever want to do, however since everything else has failed, every option of chivalry, compromise and/or composure, has only left him feeling this way. It is this forbidden action that has never before been acted upon that may in fact provide him with some sort of sensation, even if it is shameful or gluttonous. It really is a terrible resolution, pitiful closure, but a form of resolution and form of closure nonetheless, which sometimes may be thought to require a physical action to attain it. It is unfortunate but the truth, although John very well could have never made the phone call to have her, "Here by the end of the hour..." but what may have simply felt what is there to lose when you have already lost it all.Lol this song is so real and raw, will always remain a painful favorite. In a way, I think it is not uncommon that ppl have done this...however, there are many ways to deal with this kind of extreme depression and sadness>>>other ways, that would, perhaps, better serve him, and the woman he may never end up calling. It is a very difficult situation to be in. I'm sorry he has given and given and come up with nothing . He sounds a bit sorry for himself. P.S.= I don't think what he is considering is "shameful and gluttonous". Those are pretty powerful words. I just don't think it is the most conscious of his options. Have I done this, myself? Yes, once or twice. I also had a room mate who just let me sleep with him for quite a few nights when I was in the middle of a break-up (no sex, just holding and he was straight as an arrow) and I also had a one-night stand with someone because I had caught my boyfriend cheating; but, it was above board. It got me through the night. No strings.
I’m a good man in a dark room in a big town under a full moon it’s a friday and I’m almost home I’m in a good place full of head space got a brand new pack in my suitcase but it’s dinner and then it's bad alone How do you break a mended heart? I'm bored and want something to do
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