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So I'm going to assume that no one would look in here unless they'd seen the finale. If they do they get what they ask for.

So everyone is just a pawn in some game between the Good & Bad, the God & Devil so to speak. The conversations Jacob & the Anti Jacob were having at the beginning about "men" coming to the island. Anti Jacob seemed to believe they would always choose to destroy each other. He believed the worst about men and their nature. Jacob believed there was hope. And that men had "free will". Anti Jacob wanted to kill Jacob but can't himself for some reason. (Some have speculated they are two parts of the same entity and that is why one could not kill the other personally).

Flash forward to all the "visits" into the lives of the Losties. This was then not Jacob visitng them, but the Anti Jacob disguised as Jacob? If he can change himself into anyone (as he did Locke) he could pretend to be Jacob. He set everything up so he could bring them back to one day use Locke to convince Ben to kill Jacob. Major strategy there and infinite patience in a game that has been going on for an obviously long time.

Other "god like" things about Jacob. According to Richard, Jacob is the one who allows him to never age (eternal life?). Also, Jacob insists on reminding them they have "free will". However, the Anti Jacob disguised as Locke's speech to Ben was classic "You have given your life to follow him (God) sacrificed over and over again and he hasn't even bothered to show himself to you." Ben even sacrificed his daughter (Abraham?) albeit not willingly. So Ben finally "decided" (although he has no idea how he has been manipulated) to use his free will to kill Jacob.

More proof Jacob did not ever leave the island, he always appeared clean cut and in many suits, etc in real time. Back on island, the real Jacob looked scruffy and like he had been there forever.

Big question, aside from the parrallels I'm assuming they are not really supposed to be God & The Devil, so who are they really? How did they end up there together? And why did Anti Jacob want to kill Jacob so badly?

So now that the people on the outside know that Locke is not really Locke, what will happen next? Will Anti Jacob take over the island? Will he return to his natural form or stay disguised as Locke?

As for the 70's Losties, if the island really blew up how could the Others and all survive? If it had really happened none of them would be standing there at that moment in the future again. Is this really going to "reset" everything like they think or just put them on some continuous loop repeating the same actions? I really don't think they can change things and I'm not sure why they would want to. Kind of like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, you think you would rather just forget someone, but the good & the bad makes you who you are. Its a little lame that Jacks main reason for wanting to reset everything is because he is heartbroken over Kate & can't take it, would rather never have loved and lost her. It's better to have loved and lost that to have never loved at all Jack. Anyway, if they can't change things then they went through a hell of a lot for nothing and they are going to be in some serious trouble, perhaps blasted to another time again?

And I hated them for the whole Juliet scene. That was horrible!

So there are my ramblings for now. Any other thoughts, observations, predictions?

Aurelia

Anti Jacob was just my nickname since I didn't know what to call him and he seemed the antithesis of Jacob. Some have called him Esau in reference to the biblical story of Jacob & his brother Esau who were at odds.

Other thoughts....I believe Ilana & her friend were working for Anti Jacob & knew it was him who came to visit. When they went to the cabin they seemed know that someone had perhaps been trapped inside and was now let out? Trapped by the line of soot, but the missing soot was their immediate clue to the fact that he may have been able to get out. Assuming it had been Jacob trapped in the cabin and he had somehow escaped and vacated to the statue for some reason? Remember when Locke came to the cabin with Ben & heard someone? Was it Jacob, trapped?

Also, if Locke has been dead since Ben killed him, then the little visit to "tell Richard to tell himself that he would have to die" was all orchestrated by the Anti Jacob so that Locke would go back and do the things he wanted to gather the others together, including his own death. Then when he was "returned" Anti Jacob could pretend to be him, resurrected. He also convinced Hurley to go back, caused Nadia to die so Sayid would have no reason to stay behind (and of course even "hired" Ilana to capture Sayid & bring him aboard, helped push Sawyer on his course of vengeance, gave Jack a little "push", and visited Kate, Jin & Sun. Juliette not being visited probably signifies that she is not important to the overall destiny of the island or to his plan. Sadly, this probably means she is really gone.

Also found the last exchange between Ben & Jacob interesting. Ben believed he had been a faithful follower and was hurt by Jacob's not "visiting" him. Yet with Jacob's reply "What ABOUT you?" It reminded me of those people who think they are being pious & doing all the right things on the surface, but with truly selfish motivations at heart. Jacob did not feel Ben was worthy for whatever reason and he seems to be intimating that Ben thinks only of himself. It is not "about" him. Wrong thing to say apparently since it pushed Ben right over the edge. Which makes me wonder why he said it. He had to know how it would anger Ben. Was this the ultimate test for Ben and another test of man's ability to fight his baser instincts or perhaps Jacob is weary of the island and is seeking "release" even in death.

Love the constant "We are the good guys" as well. The Others (who follow Jacob) told this to the Losties originally. The Losties believed they were the good guys in those confrontations. And now Anti Jacobs followers tout that they are the good guys. Who really are the good guys? Is it just a matter of perspective?

As for the whole bomb thing, I don't beleive they reset anything. I still think that this has all played out before. It is set and has already happened and this is how Anti Jacob knew who he could "use" to get to Jacob and find his loophole. They will probably be causing another time disruption which is why Jacob told Anti Jacob "they are coming" meaning the Jack, Kate, Sawyer...group. Not sure why this would scare Anti Jacob as it did unless as I said this has all played out before and he knows they are bringing something he doesn't want, a challenge to his dominion he has worked so hard to attain. Or, knowing JJ Abrams it could be some totally new characters.

Question again is, how the hell is he going to wrap this all up in one more season?

Aurelia