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yermama |
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Sorry, Randy, but all the folks I know who voted for him are still supportive despite the GOP sniping and their lack of patience with emerging/evolving
policies. Deepest condolences to all you freaked out GOPers/Independents. Been there 2000-2008 and it's not fun. Best Rx is to take a break from
Fox&Friends......
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randyfromDe |
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As I've said many times before, I don't watch Fox. You're old enough to remember a time when people actually read to get their news.
Is it appropriate for the government to tell it's citizens to report other citizens to the government that don't agree with White House domestic policy? Especially if the government intends to use this information to rebuke "casual conversations", as so eloquently put on the White House blog? Do you also believe it is appropriate for the sitting POTUS to send an email, as if he was campaigning, to rally those who supported him for election against those who do not? If so, I didn't realize that he was now the President of the Democrat Citizens of the United States. |
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yermama |
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Fox or not, you're drinkin' the KoolAid, Randy. I'm not interested in engaging you on GOP interpretations of current affairs. Go whine on the
GOP thread.
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yermama |
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Chief Justice Sotomayor. yessssss!
And these remarks from John Brennen (Assst to POTUS for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism) I find so wonderfully refreshing. This is the America of which I am proud: ".....I have seen-we all have seen-how our fight against terrorists sometimes led us to stray from our ideals as a nation....... .....I believe President Obama is absolutely correct: such practices not only fail to advance our counterterrorism efforts, they actually set back our efforts. They are a recruitment bonanza for terrorists, increase the determination of our enemies, and decrease the willingness of other nations to cooperate with us. In short, they undermine our national security....... .....the President rejects an absolutist approach or the imposition of a rigid ideology on our problems. Like the world itself, his views are nuanced, not simplistic; practical, not ideological. He understands the complexities and many dimensions of the challenges presented by violent extremism. He understands that preventing terrorists from slaughtering the innocent sometimes requires making very difficult decisions-deployment of military forces, authorization of sensitive intelligence activities, the handling and disposition of terrorists that we capture and detain; and the policies we make and the measures we take to protect our homeland. And so, as he has said on many occasions, he rejects the false choice between ensuring our national security and upholding civil liberties. The United States of America has done both for centuries-and must do so again..... .......How you define a problem shapes how you address it. As many have noted, the President does not describe this as a "war on terrorism." That is because "terrorism" is but a tactic-a means to an end, which in al Qaeda's case is global domination by an Islamic caliphate. Confusing ends and means is dangerous, because by focusing on the tactic, we risk floundering among the terrorist trees while missing the growth of the extremist forest. And ultimately, confusing ends and means is self-defeating, because you can never fully defeat a tactic like terrorism any more than you can defeat the tactic of war itself." Yay to shades of gray and no more black or white!
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randyfromDe |
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So your answer is yes, it is appropriate for the government to declare half of the citizens of the U.S. "enemies" because they disagree with domestic
policy.
Hope and change = our guy doing the oppressing. |
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yermama |
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As I said, Randy....shades of gray. Fascinating to me that you still read it as black or white.
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randyfromDe |
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There are shades of gray to the government keeping a dissident list with at least half the country on it? I'm surprised you don't see it as black and
white.
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irisheyes |
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what the hell are y'all talking about? can someone point me to this dissident list? I have a few names I need to add.
"Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." - Rudyard Kipling
"While I gave up God a long time ago, I never shook the habit of wanting to believe in something. So I replaced my creed of everlasting life with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." - Sarah Vowell |
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kssunset1 |
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a friend of my sister's started this...
The following is a message a friend posted on a social media site. We've started forwarding it to all our friends. Health reform is a huge issue, and maybe government reform isn't the right way to go. However, we will never be able to make such a determination if instead of rational discourse, all we have is screaming and a failure to listen. Swastikas, racial intimidation, misinformation and the like are not the way to go. Maybe the current committee bills under consideration aren't the solution. But how will we figure it out if all we do is scream about "death panels?" Forward, post, etc. the following message (or feel free to add to it your own thoughts), if you want to take a stand and show solidarity for RATIONAL DEBATE, and send a message that you don't agree with screaming and scare tactics. And that we won't scream back to make the point that screaming is wrong. And if you disagree with the following message, feel free not to pass it on. I'm standing up and saying enough. I won't be distracted from a rational debate on health care reform by swastikas, lies, propaganda, scare tactics, racial intimidation, threats or other meaningless noise. I will not give credence to misinformation and refuse to cater to any more hysteria. I won't enable the madness. ~ dawn
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kssunset1 |
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oh, and in light of a disturbing discussion i had last night w/ my roommate i think i'm going to put together a blog/editorial.
she basically said that she doesn't care about the craziness going on because she is happy w/ her govt (if she werent, she'd be more involved). the gist of it will be that now, more than ever, it's important for 'generation o' to be politically active and help our guy get the change we need. otherwise, why have bothered to vote for him in the first place? ~ dawn
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Adam Elkins |
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because you obey your television.
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kssunset1 |
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rachel maddow had a�great commentary on the dem's in dc last night. saddens me to believe it could be true, but would not surprise me hc reform is not reform without a public option- hold your representatives/senators accountable to their constituents. ~ dawn
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mattmorgeson |
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more gov control = SOCIALISM!!! i dont want that. obama care wont work.. plain and simple...these next four years will be the worst in a long time. dont get me
started on sotomayor. after she fumbled her words in that interview, she fucked up from then on. go ahead you dumbass left wing radicals, watch and see how
your savior obama crumbles. haha bailout??? what a big waste of money. you cant spend your way out of depression.
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yermama |
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Dear Matt, so what points of the Obama health care proposal are you specifically opposed to? And what about Justice Sotomayor troubles you most? Which
economic model do you propose to solve the financial crisis? And what are you drinking?
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rojo cohete |
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the kool-aid
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mattmorgeson |
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the whole damn health care proposal. it doesnt work anywhere else in the world. sotomayor is for socialism. and the fact that she tries to hide it, makes me
laugh.
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irisheyes |
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who says our healthcare reforms need to be exactly like another country's system? why can't we learn from what doesn't work elsewhere and improve
upon it - develop a system that works best for our situation? I'm sure you're well-versed in this debate given your robust argument back there. please,
enlighten us.
"Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." - Rudyard Kipling
"While I gave up God a long time ago, I never shook the habit of wanting to believe in something. So I replaced my creed of everlasting life with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." - Sarah Vowell |
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mattmorgeson |
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i dont need a robust argument to be spot on with my facts. its all there plain and simple in front of your own eyes every day. i dont have to explain it to u.
whats wrong with the system right now that we have??? nothing at all. and then thats when your gonna say "oh. well obama wants to give health care to
everyone.'" let me tell you this. most people out there that dont have health care, DONT WANT IT. so why take my hard earned money and put it to
health care for people that dont even want it. my family doesnt make alot of money so i know damn good and well what it means to hear my parents say no we have
to wait til the next check. dont tax away all my money and give it to others. you cant babyfeed the poor. they chose their own fate. wether it be not going to
school or making dumb decisions they now have to suffer from. i see this everyday. people get in line at a grocery store wearing the nicest clothes and driving
the nicest cars and whip out there welfare card and get a shit ton of food all for fuckin free, all because you damn liberals think your helping them out. i
see so many damn people cheat the system and they use all our money. the middle class will always suffer. rich people do get taxed alot, but they still have
enough money to buy the nicest houses and cars. the poor get all their fuckin stuff for damn near free. government housing, welfare money etc.... and what do u
do for the middle class?? nothing. and dont even get me started on sotomayor.
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mattmorgeson |
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Ahhh ....Let the real Commies, I mean Real Liberals Stand Up!!! First you want All of our money for the Illegal Aliens... Then our money for someone
else's healthcare... Now you will take over the Oil companies for us? No thank you...We can do a much better job of this than you EVER could with OUR
money...KEEP YOUR HAND OUT OF MY POCKETS YOU COMMIE LIBERALS!!!...and while your at it...GIVE ME BACK MY COUNTRY!!!
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kssunset1 |
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my only response to vastly ignorant statements is:
I'm standing up and saying enough. I won't be distracted from a rational debate on health care reform by swastikas, lies, propaganda, scare tactics, racial intimidation, threats or other meaningless noise. I will not give credence to misinformation and refuse to cater to any more hysteria. I won't enable the madness. ~ dawn
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